Neo interviews Steve Beren
Neo recently interviewed the "changer extraordinaire" and "expert on the Left" Steve Beren. (Who? He's running for a House seat in the majority-democrat Seattle area against incumbent Jim McDermott.)
The interview contains the following exchange:
[Neo]: So you were a historian of antiwar movements--
[Beren]: And antiwar strategy and tactics. ...
In the beginning of the Afghanistan war, there were rumblings in the media: there were rocky mountains, the British had failed there, the weather would be bad, this could be trouble. And back when John Kennedy had sent troops at the beginning of Vietnam the antiwar movement did it this way (in Vietnam, the Socialists supported the Communist takeover—but you don’t put that on a flyer, do you?) During the Cuban missile crisis what you’d say is that Kennedy is all concerned about Cuba, but he’s ignoring what’s happening in Vietnam. Or in Berlin. Then when he’s in Vietnam, you talk about how he’s ignoring Cuba. Ted Kennedy now talks about North Korea.
[N]: So these are strategies for all situations.
[B]: Yes, it's a rhetorical device. You go from one thing to another, to add negativity to the media and the academic world. Regular people don’t like war—who does?--we all hope a rumor of war is not true. And if we start hearing things to discourage us it feeds on that: “we can’t win anyway, and we should be doing something else that’s more important.”
[Unknown Blogger now follows up where Neo didn't:]
I beg your pardon, Mr. Beren.
First of all, all those things you said that the press wrote about Afghanistan all happen to be true. Do you have some problem with that? Isn't one of the reasons we have a free press is so we can have a fully-informned electorate? How do you see the role of the press when the President or members of Congress start discussing war plans?
Next, we all know it is a crazy mixed-up world out there, with places like Cuba, Vietnam, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Syria, Lebanon, and North Korea popping up all the time. We elect Presidents who we expect will select cabinet members and advisers to help him determine an effective foreign policy towards all these places. No President, Republican or Democrat, ever gets to just pick the one he wants to focus on, while everyone else in the country just shuts up.
That's just the way our government works. Do you have some sort of problem with that?
Also, I wonder which remarks by Ted Kennedy on North Korea you are referring to?
Maybe these:
As the Administration emphasizes the threat from Iraq, it gives
less attention to other countries that pose an even more immediate
threat to our security.
The greatest proliferation threat comes not from Iraq, but North
Korea. North Korea is much more likely and capable to develop, use and
sell these weapons. But unlike Iraq, North Korea probably already has
nuclear weapons. Unlike Iraq, North Korea has no nuclear inspectors on
the ground to verify disarmament.
North Korea has a long and well-documented history of selling
its military technology, especially ballistic missiles, to whoever will
pay the highest price. Desperate and strapped for cash, it is the
country most likely to sell or transfer weapons of mass destruction to
terrorists or nations that support terrorism.
In its single-minded focus on Iraq, Administration officials at
first refused to acknowledge that a nuclear crisis even existed. Only
very recently has the Administration begun to devote the attention this
crisis deserves.
Those words are from a speech on the Senate floor on January 29, 2003.
So here we are now, 3 years and $300,000,000,000.00 later, our armed forces stretched to the limit, having removed exactly "zero" nuclear, chemical, or biological weapons from Iraq, nor any significant means of manufacturing them, and North Korea is announcing an imminent test of a nuclear weapon.
Mr. Beren, are you now claiming Ted Kennedy's concern about North Korea in 2003 was not legitimate?
Are you claiming it was improper for the American people to hear those words because the President had decided he wanted to invade Iraq, and such words might "discourage" support for his plans?
*Sigh* Isn't he just dreeeeamy?
Please, send your contribution immediately to re-elect Jim McDermott.
The interview contains the following exchange:
[Neo]: So you were a historian of antiwar movements--
[Beren]: And antiwar strategy and tactics. ...
In the beginning of the Afghanistan war, there were rumblings in the media: there were rocky mountains, the British had failed there, the weather would be bad, this could be trouble. And back when John Kennedy had sent troops at the beginning of Vietnam the antiwar movement did it this way (in Vietnam, the Socialists supported the Communist takeover—but you don’t put that on a flyer, do you?) During the Cuban missile crisis what you’d say is that Kennedy is all concerned about Cuba, but he’s ignoring what’s happening in Vietnam. Or in Berlin. Then when he’s in Vietnam, you talk about how he’s ignoring Cuba. Ted Kennedy now talks about North Korea.
[N]: So these are strategies for all situations.
[B]: Yes, it's a rhetorical device. You go from one thing to another, to add negativity to the media and the academic world. Regular people don’t like war—who does?--we all hope a rumor of war is not true. And if we start hearing things to discourage us it feeds on that: “we can’t win anyway, and we should be doing something else that’s more important.”
[Unknown Blogger now follows up where Neo didn't:]
I beg your pardon, Mr. Beren.
First of all, all those things you said that the press wrote about Afghanistan all happen to be true. Do you have some problem with that? Isn't one of the reasons we have a free press is so we can have a fully-informned electorate? How do you see the role of the press when the President or members of Congress start discussing war plans?
Next, we all know it is a crazy mixed-up world out there, with places like Cuba, Vietnam, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Syria, Lebanon, and North Korea popping up all the time. We elect Presidents who we expect will select cabinet members and advisers to help him determine an effective foreign policy towards all these places. No President, Republican or Democrat, ever gets to just pick the one he wants to focus on, while everyone else in the country just shuts up.
That's just the way our government works. Do you have some sort of problem with that?
Also, I wonder which remarks by Ted Kennedy on North Korea you are referring to?
Maybe these:
As the Administration emphasizes the threat from Iraq, it gives
less attention to other countries that pose an even more immediate
threat to our security.
The greatest proliferation threat comes not from Iraq, but North
Korea. North Korea is much more likely and capable to develop, use and
sell these weapons. But unlike Iraq, North Korea probably already has
nuclear weapons. Unlike Iraq, North Korea has no nuclear inspectors on
the ground to verify disarmament.
North Korea has a long and well-documented history of selling
its military technology, especially ballistic missiles, to whoever will
pay the highest price. Desperate and strapped for cash, it is the
country most likely to sell or transfer weapons of mass destruction to
terrorists or nations that support terrorism.
In its single-minded focus on Iraq, Administration officials at
first refused to acknowledge that a nuclear crisis even existed. Only
very recently has the Administration begun to devote the attention this
crisis deserves.
Those words are from a speech on the Senate floor on January 29, 2003.
So here we are now, 3 years and $300,000,000,000.00 later, our armed forces stretched to the limit, having removed exactly "zero" nuclear, chemical, or biological weapons from Iraq, nor any significant means of manufacturing them, and North Korea is announcing an imminent test of a nuclear weapon.
Mr. Beren, are you now claiming Ted Kennedy's concern about North Korea in 2003 was not legitimate?
Are you claiming it was improper for the American people to hear those words because the President had decided he wanted to invade Iraq, and such words might "discourage" support for his plans?
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Neo concludes the interview by breathlessly claiming, "We can safely say that Steve Beren is a man with both heart and brain."*Sigh* Isn't he just dreeeeamy?
Please, send your contribution immediately to re-elect Jim McDermott.

